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Debat: Palæstina er blevet den yderste venstrefløjs Utopia
Siden terrorangrebet den 7. oktober har vi set, at den yderste venstrefløj være med til en række antisemitiske demonstrationer, hvor demokrati og LGBT har været store temaer
Store dele af venstrefløjen har glemt hvilket forfærdeligt sted Palæstina er. Det er et sted, hvor der ikke er demokrati og hvor minoriteter altid har været forfulgt.
Hvis man gerne vil have LGBT-rettigheder i Mellemøsten, skal man kigge på Israel, det er det eneste land med både demokrati og hvor LGBT-personer kan leve frit uden at de skal jagtes af staten, men desværre er det ikke virkeligheden i alle islamiske lande i Mellemøsten.
Palæstina er et af de steder, hvor LGBT-personer kan være allermest forfulgt, det er nemlig et land hvor der ikke kan leve jøder eller andre minoriteter, så selvfølgelig hader mange palæstinensere mange forskellige minoriteter.
Den yderste venstrefløj er en flok hyklere, når det gælder det her spørgsmål
I Palæstina har man har et menneskesyn, som er helt forfærdeligt, og man tror på et kollektivt frihedsbegreb og her er ord som tillid noget, der bliver tolket som svaghed.
Alle sammen værdier som bliver taget forgivet i Danmark fordi, vi bare vænnet os til det, men ude i den store verden og særligt i Mellemøsten er det værdier, som betyder svaghed.
Kun Israel vil freden
Er det virkelig det tankesæt som vi skal til at abonnere på? Det synes jeg i hvert fald, at den yderste del af venstrefløjen mangler at svare på
Den yderste venstrefløj er en flok hyklere, når det gælder det her spørgsmål, de tror mere på ideal politik end real politik.
Når man siger, at man er antizionist skal man stille sig selv spørgsmålet, hvorfor skal alle andre religiøse folk end jøderne så havde deres eget land
For i virkeligheden er Israel den eneste stat i Mellemøsten som har villet freden, men efter mange år hvor lande som Iran, Palæstina og Syrien ikke har villet anerkende Israels eksistens, så er der meget langt til en to statsløsning lige nu, og i den kontekst ville al form for antizionisme være antisemitisme.
Når man siger, at man er antizionist skal man stille sig selv spørgsmålet, hvorfor skal alle andre religiøse folk end jøderne så havde deres eget land.
Det er en klar form for historieløshed og antisemitisme at påstå̊, at jøderne ikke skal have ret til deres eget land.
Kommentarer
"Palætina"? Menes der retteligt Israel?
Staten Israel opstod først i året 1948 og flertallet af de nuværende Jødiske indbyggere er immigranter og deres efterkommere. Forinden blev området i en årrække kaldt Palæstina og var beboet af et flertal af Arabere (Palæstinensere) under Engelsk overherredømme.
Så lever du vel også stadig i jægersamfundet, og undgår supermarkeder?
Det er alt sammen sandt. Og ikke spor svært at regne ud eller finde frem til. Det mærkelige er egentlig kun, at det emne ikke desto mindre kan dele folk på den måde, det gør.
Til mere alsidig belysning af konflikten Israel-Palæstina ville det være en ide at oversætte og bringe det seneste nyhedsbrev her i december fra Breaking the Silence -de israelske veteraner, der fortæller om Israels krigsforbrydelser:
I hope this email finds you well. I'm writing to you as yet another year of occupation and war comes to a close. The recent news of the International Criminal Court's decision to issue international arrest warrants for Prime Minister Netanyahu and former Defense Minister Gallant are a sober reminder of the new lows we've reached. The ramifications of Trump's electoral victory in the United States are already being felt here on the ground, emboldening some of our most extreme politicians and stakeholders here in Israel, and particularly in the settlement movement. Meanwhile, Israeli soldiers continue to fight this war and return to relay to us their jawdropping testimonies on the horrific things they were sent to do.
While the situation continues to deteriorate, here at Breaking the Silence we remain resolutely committed to our mission of giving the soldiers who carry out this government's brutal policies a platform, in order to hold up a mirror to our society and those around the world without whose support the occupation could not continue.
Here are some of the main topics we're monitoring and focusing on in our advocacy and educational work at the moment:
The dire situation in Northern Gaza
Since the beginning of October we've seen this war enter a new phase, with the northernmost part of the Northern Gaza Strip (particularly the towns of Beit Lahiya, Beit Hanoun and the Jabaliya refugee camp) being cut off entirely from the rest of the Strip, with virtually no humanitarian aid being allowed in while our military targets the area with unrelenting strikes and enormous firepower, leading to unimaginable human suffering. Last month Brig. Gen. Itzik Cohen, the commander of the IDF's 162nd Division, confirmed to Israeli reporters that Palestinians would not be allowed to return to their homes there, and that since there were almost no civilians left, humanitarian aid would no longer be allowed to reach this area. Perhaps unsurprisingly, these actions appear to be a direct implementation of a proposal put forward by a right wing NGO known as the "Generals' Plan", who claim that this is the only way to pressure Hamas effectively so that they will agree to return our hostages. The hostages are an easy way to sell this plan to the general public and our decisionmakers, but behind the scenes it appears that those behind the plan are far more interested in achieving an entirely different goal: emptying the Gaza Strip of its Palestinian residents in order to build settlements there. In order for that to happen, they have been campaigning against any kind of hostage deal that would end or even pause the war. In other words, the ultimate goal is to forcibly transfer Palestinians and build settlements, not in order to save the hostages but in fact at their expense.
Interestingly, Moshe "Bogie" Ya'alon, a former Defense Minister under Netanyahu and former IDF Chief of Staff who is known for his hawkish positions, recently caused a storm in Israel for referring to the situation in Northern Gaza as "ethnic cleansing". Although Ya'alon is far from being a member of our political camp, this is a very significant statement coming from someone like him.
Long-term direct occupation in Gaza
The IDF's actions in this northern part of Gaza are complemented by what appears to be a major consolidation of its presence in other parts of the Strip, most notably in the area known as the Netzarim Corridor. The Corridor, which divides Northern Gaza from the rest of the Strip, has over time widened to an incredible 8km width, meaning that it now covers an area larger than that of Tel Aviv. In order for that to happen, the towns and neighbourhoods on either side of the corridor have been totally demolished, and anyone who approaches the area is fired upon, according to our testifiers. Inside the corridor itself the military's facilities have gone from temporary to permanent, reflecting the very clear messages we're getting from the Israeli government about this war not ending any time soon. A horrifying report based on soldiers' testimonies published this week in Haaretz (under the title "'No Civilians. Everyone's a Terrorist': IDF Soldiers Expose Arbitrary Killings and Rampant Lawlessness in Gaza's Netzarim Corridor") is well worth a read to get a sense of what this development means. As this war has dragged on for over a year now, it is clear that we've now sunk into a new normal, whereby soldiers are sent to what appears to be a routine deployment in Gaza, very reminiscent of what they would be expected to do in the West Bank; in other words, we're already well on the way to a long-term, direct occupation in Gaza with all that entails.
Those pushing hardest for long-term occupation are of course the leaders of the settler movement. A recent investigation by Israel's "KAN" public broadcast channel showed some of the very serious preparations under way and the large sums of money being invested by the settlers in order to lay the groundwork for the moment they'll be able to establish the first settlement - as well as support for such actions by ministers and coalition MKs. One of their leaders, the infamous Daniella Weiss, was even given a private tour of the Netzarim Corridor recently to plan the settlement project there, and Housing Minister Yitzchak Goldknopf briefed by Weiss at the entrance to the Netzarim Corridor with a map of Gaza with the future settlements labeled on it.
Steps towards West Bank annexation
This government has been clear for a long time now of its desire to annex the West Bank - particularly with Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich in charge of the Civil Administration, the IDF body that governs civilian life in the West Bank. Apart from diverting huge funds to building settlements and their surrounding infrastructure, he's proudly boasted of changing the DNA of the system - by creating a governing body with power to approve settlement building, inserting his people into key positions and clamping down on Palestinian expansion in Area C. Recently the IDF launched a wave of demolitions on Palestinian structures in areas under PA jurisdiction (Area B), in contravention of the Oslo Accords. All of this is part of a campaign to continually increase pressure on Palestinians and thwart any hope of a Palestinian state ever being established, and to reach his long-stated goal of doubling the settler population in the West Bank.
With the incoming Trump Administration already signalling its deeply pro-settlement stance (for example, by appointing the outspoken Mike Huckabee as the next US Ambassador to Israel), the Israeli government and particularly the settler right here has been given a major boost. Smotrich has announced that "2025 [will be] the year of annexation". On the Israeli side, our government has appointed the extremist settler Yechiel Leiter as Israel's next Ambassador to Washington. Our new Defense Minister, Yisrael Katz (who Netanyahu installed as a yes-man) announced that the draconian policy of administrative detention - by which people can be detained indefinitely without a free or fair trial - will no longer apply to settlers, further emboldening the violent settlers who have been terrorising Palestinians and effectively uprooting Palestinian communities across the West Bank for years now.
Historien gennem de sidste 60 år har vist - igen-igen-igen-igen-igen-igen - at det desværre er nødvendigt med en bufferzone mod de arabiske områder, ellers går det galt. Det er simpel lærdom, men dyrekøbt erfaring -og nok er nok!
Så hvor er de moderate palæstinensere, der ønsker fred og fremgang for deres børn? Hvor er de demokratiske kræfter i Hamas-partiet, der efter sigende skulle eksistere, og hvorfor satte de ikke en stopper for de militantes amokløb? Hvordan er det i det hele taget muligt at skjule gidsler i den lange tid, der er gået, uden at "almindelige" palæstinensere har slået alarm og tilkaldt hjælp, for at få gidslerne ud?
Vi har hørt om en klanleder, der på Israels forespørgsel indvilligede i at sikre og fordele nødhjælp til civilbefolkningen, så hjælpen ikke endte i Hamas hænder. Han fik halsen skåret over. Er det en krigsforbrydelse? eller hvordan skal vi klassificere den slags?
Så, kære Mogens Lykketoft, glem din fornærmethed over, at Israel ikke bare har lagt sig flat ned og ladet sig løbe over ende. Det var faktisk det, der skete den 7. okt 2023. Og det skete trods FN's talstærke tilstedeværelse. Er FN både døv og blind, eller har ingen højere oppe i systemet agtet på rapporteringer om tunnelgravning og import og oplagring af våben og hvad der eller må have foregået i et lille område under FN's bevågenhed? Det må selv du vel undre dig over.
Og mon ikke du med fordel kunne bruge din tid på at mobilisere de moderate og fredsønskende kræfter i den arabiske befolkning, hvor de end måtte befinde sig?
Helt enig Helle B.
Hamas lægger ikke skjul på deres dagsorden: Israel skal udryddes. Koste hvad det vil. De er villige til at fortsætte kampene, og skjule gidslerne, og de kalkulerer med at maximere civile tab. Alene for at sætte Israel i et dårligt lys.
Og mennesker som Mogens Lykketoft hopper i med begge ben.
Heldigvis har Israel fået nok. Hamas skal rykkes op med rod.
Mogens Lykketofts kommentar giver heldigvis nogle fornuftige ord om Israels krigshandlinger. Selve debatoplægget er nærmest uforståeligt for mig.
Jeg er enig med Rasmus Haagensen. Som Mogens Lykketoft ønsker også jeg alsidige oplysninger om konflikten. Breaking the Silence er en såkaldt NGO. Den er ofte blevet kritiseret for ukontrollable informationer og ensidighed. Som Mogens Lykketoft dømmer Breaking.. Israel for krigsforbrydelser, men det er da vist gudskelov ikke hverken Mogens Lykketoft eller Breaking, der skal være dommer i det spørgsmål. Israel stiller i øvrigt soldater anklaget for overgreb for en civil domstol.
Hvor er det betryggende, at unge DSUer selv forsøger at sætte sig ind i sagerne og ikke bare hyler med ulvene. Det er godt gået, Rasmus Haagensen. Her får du nogle links til mere oplysning:
https://israel-online.dk/
https://palwatch.org/
https://miff.dk/